@sci-fitsunami Which video was it?

I mean I’m all for keeping motu alive but I just want them to finish the vintage already. Like many others have mentioned there is too much going on at once. I only have so much $ to go around 

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@sci-fitsunami Which video was it?

This one. He talks about Masterverse at 5:27

Masterverse aftermarket is nutso

I had a feeling New Eternia Mer-Man was the next one to sell out & shoot up. And right after I ordered him from BBTS he sold out. 

This is really pissing me off because although I didn't miss them, I got 1 of each, I like to wait a while & buy extras for customizing later on when the prices drop. The prices used to always drop if you waited. But now I won't be able to buy extras of certain figures for customizing. I wanted to buy a 2nd BA Skeletor to put the armor on a custom BA Faker. But now the only thing I can do is make a silicone mold of the armor & cast it in resin which is a lot more work Thank God I was able to get 1 BA Skeletor. He sold out on BBTS but then showed up as IN STOCK again for a really short time. I got lucky I guess.

Like Mad Hatter said, you can no longer snooze on Masterverse. If you want the figure, buy it immediately because you never know which ones will sell out & shoot up.   

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I'm surprised nobody is talking about Mattel's big reveal day. What a crock of s***!  The big "reveal" was an Origins figure we already saw. lol  And Blade?  I hate that character but the figure looks really good. I think that body would look great with a different, less goofy-looking head.

So when will we be seeing all the new stuff actually revealed? Like the oversized Moss-Man they were talking about? SDCC?

 

I just watched a new Mad Hatter video and he was talking about the crazy prices some Masterverse figures are going for. He said he missed out on BA Skeletor and NE Mer-Man. It was weird because Youtubers always seem to have everything & never miss out.

That said, there's been really weird blink and miss it anomalies too, like Frosta and movie Lyn and Beastman. 

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What a crock of s***!  The big "reveal" was an Origins figure we already saw.

No, the big reveal was a figure that got leaked right before the stream started.

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What a crock of s***!  The big "reveal" was an Origins figure we already saw.

No, the big reveal was a figure that got leaked right before the stream started.

 

Yeah, well, my point is, they didn't really "reveal" anything except Blade in package. That reveal event was totally pathetic.  I hate how Mattel puts everything into Origins and Masterverse is basically an afterthought. I'm a Masterverse collector & they catered to the Origins collectors. There was nothing in that stupid reveal event for me except the mention of a new oversized Moss-Man. 

I wish Masterverse was the only MOTU line going so they could put 100% of their focus on it. Like how it was during Classics. Origins really should have ended a year ago, if they hadn't artificially dragged it out with ToG. Now they're going to drag it out even more with the Thundercats and that He-Ro/Preternia crap. If they want to have 2 lines running they need to stop catering to the Origins collectors while leaving the Masterverse fans high & dry. Throw us a bone too! Why the hell would you alienate all the Masterverse fans? We're like the retarded step-children that nobody cares about. All we get are endless variants of the same characters we already have while they give all their love & attention to the Origins collectors. 

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What a crock of s***!  The big "reveal" was an Origins figure we already saw.

No, the big reveal was a figure that got leaked right before the stream started.

 

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What a crock of s***!  The big "reveal" was an Origins figure we already saw.

No, the big reveal was a figure that got leaked right before the stream started.

 

What figure?  I've only heard about He-Ro, Blade, and Moss Man.

 

I was talking about He-Ro!  He-Ro got leaked right before the event. So the big "reveal" wasn't such a big reveal. And since I don't give a rat's ass about Origins He-Ro, I have the Masterverse He-Ro, that reveal event was pathetic for Masterverse fans. They need to give equal attention to both lines & stop catering to ORIGINS FANS ONLY.   

Where is the Club Grayskull members only MASTERVERSE figure???  See what I mean?  They're really making me start to hate Origins because of the uneven treatment. It's like elementary school and the teacher's pet. Origins fans get the preferential treatment. And it's total BS!

At the very least, they could have vac-metalized the Masterverse He-Ro & offered BOTH at the same time. Since the event was all about He-Ro anyway. 

Hmmm ... All right, Mattel, I guess we'll just have to wait until SDCC for you to unveil another bunch of MV figures? Like this intriguing Moss Man or even the two rumored evil warriors (Ninjor, Kobra Khan).

My god, folks, NOBODY on either side of the Origins/Masterverse fence thinks they're being treated well. I say that as somebody collecting both!

@sci-fitsunami Whoa - hold up there, Hoss. What's wrong with Powers of Grayskull??

So according to Toy Habits, these are some of the new Masterverse figures coming up:

Teela
She-Ra
Hordak
Moss-Man
Faker
Terror Claws Skeletor
Stratos

The only new characters we don't have yet are:
Ninjor
Cobra Khan

Am I forgetting any? The endless variants are really starting to get too expensive. I know I don't have to buy them but I like most of them dammit. The new Faker's head looks way better than the New Eternia version. And we don't have an awesome Teela or Moss-Man in Masterverse yet. And even though I have my custom gray Hordak I'm still gonna feel the need to get the new one with the bat wings.   

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My god, folks, NOBODY on either side of the Origins/Masterverse fence thinks they're being treated well. I say that as somebody collecting both!

Origins gets all the really cool stuff like Skeleton Warriors, Necro Conda & the Diabolical Snakemen 4-pack. Mattel focuses on Origins with WWEternia, Turtles Of Grayskull, Stranger Things and now Thundercats.  Masterverse is just the same characters over & over again. I also collect both & there is a huge difference between the 2.

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@sci-fitsunami Whoa - hold up there, Hoss. What's wrong with Powers of Grayskull??

Nothing wrong with it. And nothing overly exciting about it either. It's just there. IMO 

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So according to Toy Habits, these are some of the new Masterverse figures coming up:

Teela
She-Ra
Hordak
Moss-Man
Faker
Terror Claws Skeletor
Stratos

The only new characters we don't have yet are:
Ninjor
Cobra Khan

Am I forgetting any? The endless variants are really starting to get too expensive. I know I don't have to buy them but I like most of them dammit. The new Faker's head looks way better than the New Eternia version. And we don't have an awesome Teela or Moss-Man in Masterverse yet. And even though I have my custom gray Hordak I'm still gonna feel the need to get the new one with the bat wings.   

 

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My god, folks, NOBODY on either side of the Origins/Masterverse fence thinks they're being treated well. I say that as somebody collecting both!

Origins gets all the really cool stuff like Skeleton Warriors, Necro Conda & the Diabolical Snakemen 4-pack. Mattel focuses on Origins with WWEternia, Turtles Of Grayskull, Stranger Things and now Thundercats.  Masterverse is just the same characters over & over again. I also collect both & there is a huge difference between the 2.

 

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@sci-fitsunami Whoa - hold up there, Hoss. What's wrong with Powers of Grayskull??

Nothing wrong with it. And nothing overly exciting about it either. It's just there. IMO 

 

I don't really know what to tell ya, but Origins was always gonna be more popular because it's revisiting and revising the foundations of the brand. Masterverse is a questionably modernised Classics, something that was way ahead of it's time and pound for pound stuck to the fundamentals. Masterverse is rudderless.

@sketchyskeletor This is exactly why reselling my Motuc figures is so problematic. The uncertainties of the Masterverse line... I'd be more willing to bet on the future under more solid circumstances.

I really dont care about He Ro, She Ro or He Bro...I just hope we get New Eternia Kobra Khan, Ninjor, Snake Men, the rest of the Horde and the good guys...after that they can do over-sized whatever crap they want or any mash up they want, like Transformers of etheria...whatever...another thing, that club grayskull only is travesty...only people from like 10 different countries can buy stuff from mattel creations website, thats wack AF...actually thats Nazi way of doing things...

I got my order from Mattel Creations today. A day early which is a first for stupid-ass Fed Ex. And as usual, they dropped it off on my next door neighbor's porch.

Panthor is awesome because his fur is mostly a flat metallic. All the pictures show him super glossy.  I didn't like that. But in person he's a flat shiny that does resemble a cats shiny fur. He looks awesome with BA Skeletor riding him while standing next to Classics Night Stalker.

The Horde Troopers are awesome and bigger than I expected. I won't be using the weird Nosferatu head they came. So I'll probably make a custom Vultak. It's basically a Vultak head right? I also want to get the new GI Joe Classified S.N.A.K.E. armor/mech to use as a Horde Trooper. How cool would that be? lol 

Trap-Jaw is awesome. As I was opening him I was wondering, will Mattel release more Trap-Jaws & Tri-Klops in the future? After these last 2, I don't think they need to. How can they top these? I don't feel like I ever need to spend money on Trap-Jaw or Tri-Klops ever again. These are like the definitive/masterpiece versions.   

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I really dont care about He Ro, She Ro or He Bro...I just hope we get New Eternia Kobra Khan, Ninjor, Snake Men, the rest of the Horde and the good guys.

lol Same here! I really want an awesome Mantenna. And Scorpia. And all the Snakemen. The Snakemen would be great for customizers. And Cosmic Legions has a Snakeman head up for pre-order right now. 

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I don't really know what to tell ya, but Origins was always gonna be more popular because it's revisiting and revising the foundations of the brand. Masterverse is a questionably modernised Classics, something that was way ahead of it's time and pound for pound stuck to the fundamentals. Masterverse is rudderless.

 

^^^This.

Masterverse is Mattel's answer to Hasbro's Black Series and Marvel Legends. As such, it is more expensive to tool and, I'd wager, the returns aren't as profitable.

Origins is a cheaper line to produce, has more nostalgic clout, and makes heavy use of recycled molds.

Like it or not, this is Mattel's baby... MV is the adopted step-child. If they have to cancel one line in favor of the other, my bet would be on MV getting the axe.

With that said, I agree with the sentiment that Masterverse is not getting a chance to show what it's capable of. The line is a perfect platform for more New Adventures and 200X inspired characters... along with the (wildly popular among the fandom) New Eternia.

Besides the obvious He-Man, Skeletor & Hordak, what caused Mattel to start remaking the same characters over & over & over again?  They didn't do this back in the 80s. Back then we got 1 version & they moved on. It was nothing but new original characters. And the older characrters were still available years later. So why now? What makes them think the market wants Man-At-Arms, Beast-Man, Mer-Man & Evil-Lyn constantly?  With the way MOTU has performed in retail stores over the past 5 years, you'd think they'd want to be more strategic with their offerings. The general public doesn't care about MOTU, it's just us fans who are buying it. So why does Mattel think we want the same characters constantly?  I just wish I knew what their thinking process is. It doesn't make any sense to me.

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Besides the obvious He-Man, Skeletor & Hordak, what caused Mattel to start remaking the same characters over & over & over again?  They didn't do this back in the 80s. Back then we got 1 version & they moved on. It was nothing but new original characters. And the older characrters were still available years later. So why now? What makes them think the market wants Man-At-Arms, Beast-Man, Mer-Man & Evil-Lyn constantly?  With the way MOTU has performed in retail stores over the past 5 years, you'd think they'd want to be more strategic with their offerings. The general public doesn't care about MOTU, it's just us fans who are buying it. So why does Mattel think we want the same characters constantly?  I just wish I knew what their thinking process is. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Sales numbers, presumably. I think what has become quite clear is that they are not following a collector-focused direction with how many lines they have going in parallel, and no indication that any one line is following a clear direction with a pre-determined goal and time line either. My guess is that they are looking at which figures sell best, and realized - which I think is unsurprising - that the original 8 back figures (+2-3 others) are the top sellers with the "general" customer. Obviously, fans of the brand are more interested in second, third and fourth tier characters at this point to have something "new" in their collection. But we are probably not representative of the overall customer base. 

That said, there are so many obvious omissions where I would almost put money on that they would sell like hot cakes - and no indication that these are coming any time soon. Like a NE Scare Glow. The only one Scare Glow with have gotten so far was that miserable attempt from Revelations cartoon. And I mean  that one was terrible, really really terrible. But alas, we just got a second NE Beastman. 

Which makes me think that the people in charge are not undestanding what the foundation of their "fan base" is, and how most people like to "collect" (i.e. not all over the place, with no one thing ever getting finished). 

I mean Mattel ... What the hell have you done with this vintage collection Zodac? Skeletor has had his first reviews for weeks now and still nothing about his comrade, who was available for pre-order at the same time.

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Besides the obvious He-Man, Skeletor & Hordak, what caused Mattel to start remaking the same characters over & over & over again?  They didn't do this back in the 80s. Back then we got 1 version & they moved on. It was nothing but new original characters. And the older characrters were still available years later. So why now? What makes them think the market wants Man-At-Arms, Beast-Man, Mer-Man & Evil-Lyn constantly?  With the way MOTU has performed in retail stores over the past 5 years, you'd think they'd want to be more strategic with their offerings. The general public doesn't care about MOTU, it's just us fans who are buying it. So why does Mattel think we want the same characters constantly?  I just wish I knew what their thinking process is. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Safe bets that let you re-use existing molds and therefore don't really trouble the spreadsheet, and especially in conjunction with only 3 figures per wave.

MV obviously has problems too, and no bloody wonder. You can still pick up the overproduced Revelation stuff that began the line. A lot of the headsculpts are mental. Availability is random AF and so anybody considering the line has to be dedicated, likely after already getting burned countless times with Origins. 

MOTU could and should be financially rivalling Barbie right now in the big nostalgia market, like when people are excited over MASK returning and clamouring for a Bravestarr line (both pretty much flopped originally), there's no excuse for what Mattel's doing with our beloved.

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I mean Mattel ... What the hell have you done with this vintage collection Zodac? Skeletor has had his first reviews for weeks now and still nothing about his comrade, who was available for pre-order at the same time.

This is a very good point. I did a search on ebay under completed listings for Vintage Collection Zodac and there's eff all on there. One website here in Australia had 2 listed for sale and both sold out for $100 each. 

I get a feeling they've waaaaaayyyy underproduced him. 

Here's my deal. I'm the type of collector that doesn't want to collect a line unless I know they will make every single character. You can't "COLLECT THEM ALL" if they don't make them all. Right? 

1. I collected MOTU in the 80s.
2. I went totally nuts over 200x. They screwed up the 200x line which pissed me off. So I washed my hands of it.
3. I totally ignored/avoided Classics because I figured they'd do the same as 200x and never make all the characters. They made all the characters so I got screwed again. lol
4. I wasn't going to collect Origins because of Teela's crappy knees. But then then they fixed the knees so I decided to give it a chance & only buy back my original 80s collection. But I ended up getting most of everything released up to this point.
5. I went all-in on Masterverse. I thought Masterverse would be the new Classics. I love the figures & I love the 7" scale. But now I'm really getting pissed off and it's starting to feel like 200x all over again.

200x was mainly only He-Man & Skeletor variants that destroyed the line at retail. But Masterverse is even worse adding Man-At-Arms, Beast-Man, Mer-Man, Evil-Lyn, Teela, Trap-Jaw & Tri-Klops to the endless variant pool. I'm starting to wish Mattel would make Masterverse a Mattel Creations exclusive, aim it at FANS-ONLY & stop making variants. Treat it the same way they did Classics. That would also end these damn Walmart exclusives that nobody can ever get.    

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I mean Mattel ... What the hell have you done with this vintage collection Zodac? Skeletor has had his first reviews for weeks now and still nothing about his comrade, who was available for pre-order at the same time.

This is a very good point. I did a search on ebay under completed listings for Vintage Collection Zodac and there's eff all on there. One website here in Australia had 2 listed for sale and both sold out for $100 each. 

I get a feeling they've waaaaaayyyy underproduced him. 

 

I get the feeling some of these figures are rotting in a warehouse somewhere. Like the final scene from Raiders Of The Lost Ark.  They'll show up one year around the holidays at Ross or Ollies. 

 Was it ever officially announced that the Vintage Collection is a Walmart exclusive? Nobody seems to have any solid info on that. I just watched Toy Habits latest live stream & they said that the New Etheria She-Ra is a Walmart Con exclusive. But then they went on to say that in the past Walmart Collector Con figures eventually showed up at BBTS & EE. So she may be a timed exclusive. 

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I'm starting to wish Mattel would make Masterverse a Mattel Creations exclusive, aim it at FANS-ONLY & stop making variants. Treat it the same way they did Classics. That would also end these damn Walmart exclusives that nobody can ever get.    

Completely agree. I've been saying they should do this for a while now. 

It would also help out us Classics collectors that want a continuation of obscure characters in a similar scale. 

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Was it ever officially announced that the Vintage Collection is a Walmart exclusive? Nobody seems to have any solid info on that. I just watched Toy Habits latest live stream & they said that the New Etheria She-Ra is a Walmart Con exclusive. But then they went on to say that in the past Walmart Collector Con figures eventually showed up at BBTS & EE. So she may be a timed exclusive. 

Have they? They must have the wrong retailers, because I'm very proactive when it comes to flushing out these figures online, and I've never seen them there. Also, since Skeletor is brand new, it should at least be listed as an out-of-stock item, which it isn't. However, Amazon recently listed it ...