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It is canon in the Masterverse-multiverse, this show is more of a "what if the Horde won the war in the past", nothing wrong with more MOTU. (also what is or is not canon is up to the right holders, so since DreamWorks merged with Filmation by Universal this is probably legally more canon than most things Mattel pumped out...)

Masters of the Multiverse is Mattel, not NBCUniversal. And, if anything, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is set in a distant or alternate future. In that series, Mara precedes Adora as She-Ra, and Mara is a character from the New Adventures of He-Man, which is set in the distant future. Both iterations of She-Ra are official, the question is whether they are canon with one another, or from alternate universes.

Posted by: @catra

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He cannot unless DreamWorks allows it so I am gonna place my bets on NOT GONNA HAPPEN, especially if any of the rumors about Mattel sabotaging the launch of toys... Now that being said a person working for Mattel said Target cancelled the orders for super hero dolls since Marvel Rising failed so hard, there might actually be hope that the relations are not to bad? Small hope but still a tiny hope...

Despara/Adora will be the antagonist of a third season of the Netflix series. If it is greenlit, then it is happening. Moreover, Mattel did not throw good money after bad, and damage its reputation with Target, to "sabotage" the She-Ra and the Princesses of Power toyline. If anything, Mattel pushed NBCUniversal to make the character designs to be more appealing as toys. The initial designs, before the involvement of Mattel, were masculine, plain, and frankly, ugly.

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Posted by: @catra

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It is canon in the Masterverse-multiverse, this show is more of a "what if the Horde won the war in the past", nothing wrong with more MOTU. (also what is or is not canon is up to the right holders, so since DreamWorks merged with Filmation by Universal this is probably legally more canon than most things Mattel pumped out...)

Masters of the Multiverse is Mattel, not NBCUniversal. And, if anything, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is set in a distant or alternate future. In that series, Mara precedes Adora as She-Ra, and Mara is a character from the New Adventures of He-Man, which is set in the distant future. Both iterations of She-Ra are official, the question is whether they are canon with one another, or from alternate universes.

 

Posted by: @catra

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He cannot unless DreamWorks allows it so I am gonna place my bets on NOT GONNA HAPPEN, especially if any of the rumors about Mattel sabotaging the launch of toys... Now that being said a person working for Mattel said Target cancelled the orders for super hero dolls since Marvel Rising failed so hard, there might actually be hope that the relations are not to bad? Small hope but still a tiny hope...

Despara/Adora will be the antagonist of a third season of the Netflix series. If it is greenlit, then it is happening. Moreover, Mattel did not throw good money after bad, and damage its reputation with Target, to "sabotage" the She-Ra and the Princesses of Power toyline. If anything, Mattel pushed NBCUniversal to make the character designs to be more appealing as toys. The initial designs, before the involvement of Mattel, were masculine, plain, and frankly, ugly.

 

Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...

Posted by: @catra

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Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...

NBCUniversal developed She-Ra and the Princesses of Power specifically for girls, so Mattel made dolls. The fans of the series did not buy them, so Target put them on clearance before season four aired. The timeline to get products on shelves takes over a year, so there was no way to get a different toyline out before the series was over. And there was no way to get retailers to carry it, when the previous toyline is sitting on clearance shelves. Not to mention, that girls do not typically buy action figures, and there is no reason to believe they would support them, when they did not support the dolls or the roleplay items. 

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Posted by: @catra

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Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...

NBCUniversal developed She-Ra and the Princesses of Power specifically for girls, so Mattel made dolls. The fans of the series did not buy them, so Target put them on clearance before season four aired. The timeline to get products on shelves takes over a year, so there was no way to get a different toyline out before the series was over. And there was no way to get retailers to carry it, when the previous toyline is sitting on clearance shelves. Not to mention, that girls do not typically buy action figures, and there is no reason to believe they would support them, when they did not support the dolls or the roleplay items. 

 

Posted by: @catra

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Yes but the reason that happened was due to Marvel Rising line of dolls flopped so Target canceled all super hero dolls, nobody got a chance to buy them over sea and the few that was in stores was sold and re-sold by scalpers, Mattel sould have made action figures from the start but even if not I doubt they would flopped nearly as bad as Marvel Rising did... (How do I know? One of the designers of the doll stated that was the reason Target cancelled all orders, it was not only the She-Ra ones...)

The toyline was a Target exclusive, and there are no Target stores outside the U.S., so it was never going to be available at retail overseas. The toyline did not perform well, languishing on shelves, before being moved to clearance. My siblings, who enjoyed the show, were able to get every item easily without resorting to the second-hand market. And again, the series was targeting girls, and market data shows that girls do not buy action figures, so an action figure line was never in the cards. I do not know why you think that would perform better with the audience that historically does not buy action figures. Especially, when they did not even buy the line that was for them. The show was well-received by its intended audience, but it was a Netflix exclusive, and did not have the broad audience or appeal of most toys are retail.

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Posted by: @catra

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Yes but the reason that happened was due to Marvel Rising line of dolls flopped so Target canceled all super hero dolls, nobody got a chance to buy them over sea and the few that was in stores was sold and re-sold by scalpers, Mattel sould have made action figures from the start but even if not I doubt they would flopped nearly as bad as Marvel Rising did... (How do I know? One of the designers of the doll stated that was the reason Target cancelled all orders, it was not only the She-Ra ones...)

The toyline was a Target exclusive, and there are no Target stores outside the U.S., so it was never going to be available at retail overseas. The toyline did not perform well, languishing on shelves, before being moved to clearance. My siblings, who enjoyed the show, were able to get every item easily without resorting to the second-hand market. And again, the series was targeting girls, and market data shows that girls do not buy action figures, so an action figure line was never in the cards. I do not know why you think that would perform better with the audience that historically does not buy action figures. Especially, when they did not even buy the line that was for them. The show was well-received by its intended audience, but it was a Netflix exclusive, and did not have the broad audience or appeal of most toys are retail.

 

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The Mattel employees reasoning was from Target directly so I doubt is false, Target never said that line flopped they only mentioned Marvel Rising series. It is hard to actually get a measurement on how well they sold across the US, some stores they might been empty right away while others never managed to sell em? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...

If the line performed well, then it would have continued. There are prototypes for unproduced dolls, because the line was cancelled before they could go into production.

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Posted by: @catra

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The Mattel employees reasoning was from Target directly so I doubt is false, Target never said that line flopped they only mentioned Marvel Rising series. It is hard to actually get a measurement on how well they sold across the US, some stores they might been empty right away while others never managed to sell em? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...

If the line performed well, then it would have continued. There are prototypes for unproduced dolls, because the line was cancelled before they could go into production.

 

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They were cancelled because Target did not want em, all was beacuse of Marvel Rising failed... These all got 1 batch, the sales never mattered!

If they were selling well, Target would have ordered more, not cancelled it.

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Posted by: @catra

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They were cancelled because Target did not want em, all was beacuse of Marvel Rising failed... These all got 1 batch, the sales never mattered!

If they were selling well, Target would have ordered more, not cancelled it.

 

Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?

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Because of Marvel rising they cancelled ALL SUPER HERO DOLLS, brand DID NOT MATTER! DC, Marvel & MOTU all was cancelled... They told Mattel they wanted more Monster Girl High instead probably! Compared to the other two how big % of the sales do you really think She-Ra dolls would have made in comparison? Drop in the bucket in comparison!!! 

Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?

Marvel Rising was produced by Hasbro, which is a completely different company. Target is not making decisions about what Mattel products to carry based on Hasbro sales.

Moreover, FILMation She-Ra has a red jewel in her tiara, and the vintage She-Ra toy has the same pattern engraved in her boots and gauntlets. The pauldron armor is the only thing that could reasonably be attributed to DreamWorks She-Ra.

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Posted by: @catra

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Because of Marvel rising they cancelled ALL SUPER HERO DOLLS, brand DID NOT MATTER! DC, Marvel & MOTU all was cancelled... They told Mattel they wanted more Monster Girl High instead probably! Compared to the other two how big % of the sales do you really think She-Ra dolls would have made in comparison? Drop in the bucket in comparison!!! 

Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?

Marvel Rising was produced by Hasbro, which is a completely different company. Target is not making decisions about what Mattel products to carry based on Hasbro sales.

Moreover, FILMation She-Ra has a red jewel in her tiara, and the vintage She-Ra toy has the same pattern engraved in her boots and gauntlets. The pauldron armor is the only thing that could reasonably be attributed to DreamWorks She-Ra.

 

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1 that is the Catra mask mixed with She-Ra & 2 Catra came with a stun batton have Catra used a stun baton in anything else than the 2018 show? Why would the person who designed the She-Ra dolls say that on Twitter if not true? He stated because Marvel Rising failed all super hero dolls got cancelled! Not sure how many toy companies Target do deals with but if anyone else than Hasbro and Mattel then guess what probably also cancelled...

No, it is not the mask of Catra. It is the same mask that is on the vintage and the Classics figures. The stun baton was introduced in the FILMation series, and was used by multiple people. It is obvious that you are a new fan, and are not familiar with the previous versions of the toys and shows.

Moreover, if I designed a toyline that underperformed, I would propose alternate explanations too. It does not mean it is true. What did Target have to say?

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1 that is the Catra mask mixed with She-Ra & 2 Catra came with a stun batton have Catra used a stun baton in anything else than the 2018 show? Why would the person who designed the She-Ra dolls say that on Twitter if not true? He stated because Marvel Rising failed all super hero dolls got cancelled! Not sure how many toy companies Target do deals with but if anyone else than Hasbro and Mattel then guess what probably also cancelled...

No, it is not the mask of Catra. It is the same mask that is on the vintage and the Classics figures. The stun baton was introduced in the FILMation series, and was used by multiple people. It is obvious that you are a new fan, and are not familiar with the previous versions of the toys and shows.

Moreover, if I designed a toyline that underperformed, I would propose alternate explanations too. It does not mean it is true. What did Target have to say?

 

That is what the Mattel employee told people, Target stated: they cancelled all super hero dolls because of Marvel Rising

Also I have seen the 80s toy only the sides matches the old head piece for She-Ra, the Masterverse figure has the 3 upgrades from the season 5 outfit of She-Ra 100% placed there on purpose.

The stun baton was in the 80s Filmation show yes but did Catra ever use it?

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That is what the Mattel employee told people, Target stated: they cancelled all super hero dolls because of Marvel Rising

Also I have seen the 80s toy only the sides matches the old head piece for She-Ra, the Masterverse figure has the 3 upgrades from the season 5 outfit of She-Ra 100% placed there on purpose.

The stun baton was in the 80s Filmation show yes but did Catra ever use it?

An anonymous person on Twitter who claims to be a Mattel employee Tweeted it so it must be true. 🙄

The so-called "upgrades" are not unique to DreamWorks She-Ra. You are not familiar enough with the other sources to recognize the references.

Yes, Catra did use a stun baton in the FILMation series, along with numerous others. That you do not know that supports what I stated above.

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Posted by: @catra

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That is what the Mattel employee told people, Target stated: they cancelled all super hero dolls because of Marvel Rising

Also I have seen the 80s toy only the sides matches the old head piece for She-Ra, the Masterverse figure has the 3 upgrades from the season 5 outfit of She-Ra 100% placed there on purpose.

The stun baton was in the 80s Filmation show yes but did Catra ever use it?

An anonymous person on Twitter who claims to be a Mattel employee Tweeted it so it must be true. 🙄

The so-called "upgrades" are not unique to DreamWorks She-Ra. You are not familiar enough with the other sources to recognize the references.

Yes, Catra did use a stun baton in the FILMation series, along with numerous others. That you do not know that supports what I stated above.

 

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Which episode? I have them all on DVD! Also I did check the Catra toys and none of them ever had a stun baton until the 2018 show...

You should probably watch them. The stun baton was a common weapon throughout the series. There are occasions even members of the Rebellion used them.