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@smitty-81 I think there's a crucial thing about the ending of Dreamworks She-Ra that allows for a very interesting sequel premise that can also REALLY help the Masters of the Universe brand going into the future that no other show has allowed.
A Dreamworks She-Ra sequel would most likely be about the aftermath of a war ending and facing a new threat that isn't the Horde or Snake Mountain.
As I said in another thread, an issue I have with a lot of sequels or reboots is that even after getting a story where the main struggle supposedly ends, the progress the heroes made is reset and we go back to square one. This problem is common in Star Wars where, in both Legends and Canon, we always go back to heroic rebellion vs evil empire after the Battle of Endor, and in Transformers, it always has to be Autobots vs Decepticons. Even though I have my issues with Legend of Korra, one of the things I loved about the sequel series that I think allowed for creative and fresh stories to be told is that Mike and Bryan STUCK with the new world Team Avatar made after the defeat of Ozai. Republic City, expanding upon the class issues of the Earth Kingdom, the merging with the spirit world, clusters of fascism springing up, etc. etc. They made new stories that didn't always go back to the idea of the Avatar battling the leader of a nation, and it allowed for new elements and corners of the world of Avatar to be explored rather than retelling Team Avatar's story. And even when we got something close to that like with Book 4, Kuvira and how they intertwined the rise of her army with the spirit vine technological aspect and how different she was as a villain still felt new enough. I think that should be the mentality for how these stories continue than doing fan-service based retellings of what we already saw.
This is why I have a complicated relationship with New He-Man Adventures. By all means, it should have been my favorite adaptation because it had the most potential to be something new and take the franchise to newer heights in compariso to everything else where te story is always "vs the Horde" or "vs Snake Mountain". Far into the future, Adam with new characters, new planet, new factions, etc. But my issue is that despite interesting premises, the execution is still way too similar to the other adaptations so the changes feel like we were seeing the same stuff again with new coats of paint. However, I feel vindicated in my belief that NHA did have some great ideas that deserved a second chance when Mara in the Dreamworks She-Ra reboot wound up being one of the best MotU characters ever, and the idea of a more technlogically based Skeletor lead to arguably the best Skeletor/Keldor character development ever in Revolution.
However, Dreamworks She-Ra is at a huge advantage moreso than any other MotU cartoon because not only is the show great, but since the Horde is no more and they can't use Skeletor/Keldor, the creators would have to either create something new, or pull out relatively obscure villains of from the MotU/PoP brand to the point we can easily end up with new stories and fresh interpretations. Imagine the possibilities. A new state of the galaxy where an empire that has controlled the galaxy for thousands of years has just been toppled. Power vacuums, humanitarian efforts to get communities and civilizations back on their feet, different factions struggling over what the new societies for the future should be. All of it can help evolve the storytelling of the franchise and give us new stuff we can work with well past this Dreamworks continuity.
Not to get everybody here reading fanfic, but I always imagined a type of MotU story where, if the rights weren't an issue, I'd have a Dreamworks continuity that crosses over with the Kevin Smith reboot and we have Adora and Adam and all their friends combined fighting with the Gar to stop a newly resurrected Shokoti from ceasing power in the wake of Prime and Keldor's deaths. With the ultimate message being that when the forces of fascism are done away with, they can easily spring up again and take shape. So it's best to snip those things and get rid of them before they have a chance to arise once more.
@lordofdestruction Thank you for your further explanation, I do understand your points about this and respect you are coming from a good place.
It just makes me sad that when it comes to gay PoP, and for example black King Grayskull, the comment threads (and the overall reactions online) are usually quite long / plenty.
I would just say that some people do tend to be more critical about these sort of relationships / developments, than when it’s the old standard hetero etc etc Not you, but when I look at the quantities of criticism, particularly about this show… It’s totally over the top.
It is absolutely fair and important to look for quality, in representation and in everything, and criticism can make things better (how about they address this very thing in a new movie?), but only accept representation when it is perfectly written, then we will never get very far, in normalizing. Such high bar, while the others don’t have that bar, in order to be allowed to exist. I’m not expressing myself very well here, I’m sorry.
It’s not a level playing field, there is SO much catching up in normalizing to do. Saying we only allow the very most perfect shows when it comes to representation, you can see this is an additional hurdle, which slows down the flow of such groundbreaking content. Quality absolutely matters for LGBTQ+ versions of beloved franchises and for any new versions, but for representation, quantity does matter, too, and wether a show exists or not.
It is absolutely better to have a non-perfect show with totally groundbreaking representation, than not having it. Having an even better show, yes that would be even better! But for now, I am celebrating the show for being so courageous, so outrageous, so unlike any other MOTU/ PoP before.
I always think, on any era of our beloved franchise, “More MOTU, more better!”
In that regard, again, I respect your opinion but hope that if we ever get a SPoPs movie, you’ll check it out and be happy for the fans who love it so dearly.
The only time a large element of any fanbase has an issue with diversity or representation is when box-ticking is paramount and plot is a distant second with dialogue a wheezing third. She-Ra is a fantastic example - 'woke' AF but super high quality. Same with House of the Dragon. The most stringest Youtubers have never called those out and indeed actively celebrated them. And those Youtubers have millions of views each. They're the kingmakers now, that's just the reality. Substandard to enable representation is over. Star Wars couldn't get arrested. Marvel is now and will be a cameo-fest (the old guard have signed multi-picture contracts and they're gonna multiverse it to hell). Those two should have existed in perpetuity but here we are.
Activisim (or even just the perception now) without talent is beyond toxic. You eventually have to kill the host and revive the corpse once the toxicity has died down years later!
Hordes of trolls online descended upon SPoPs and anything that dares to have some substantial new representation, in MOTU, Star Wars, etc Skewing the perception of how this stuff was really received
Of course all in the name of “quality”. Also evident in the length of certain threads on here.
Somehow the standard for stuff with representation seems higher than for stuff without.
Me thinks if there is so much protesting about this particular “problem”, it’s never a good look.
I'd have no issue with a movie (they still need to rescue Angela, if nothing else). As long as they came up with a good plot for it.
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It is canon in the Masterverse-multiverse, this show is more of a "what if the Horde won the war in the past", nothing wrong with more MOTU. (also what is or is not canon is up to the right holders, so since DreamWorks merged with Filmation by Universal this is probably legally more canon than most things Mattel pumped out...)Melendy Britt FOREVER!!! Show is not cannon or remotely accurate to anything with the Filmation She Ra , Classics figure line , Masterverse line .
He cannot unless DreamWorks allows it so I am gonna place my bets on NOT GONNA HAPPEN, especially if any of the rumors about Mattel sabotaging the launch of toys... Now that being said a person working for Mattel said Target cancelled the orders for super hero dolls since Marvel Rising failed so hard, there might actually be hope that the relations are not to bad? Small hope but still a tiny hope...Meh. I'll watch it but my man Kevin Smith better give me the She-Ra we have all been waiting for.
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
It is canon in the Masterverse-multiverse, this show is more of a "what if the Horde won the war in the past", nothing wrong with more MOTU. (also what is or is not canon is up to the right holders, so since DreamWorks merged with Filmation by Universal this is probably legally more canon than most things Mattel pumped out...)
Masters of the Multiverse is Mattel, not NBCUniversal. And, if anything, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is set in a distant or alternate future. In that series, Mara precedes Adora as She-Ra, and Mara is a character from the New Adventures of He-Man, which is set in the distant future. Both iterations of She-Ra are official, the question is whether they are canon with one another, or from alternate universes.
He cannot unless DreamWorks allows it so I am gonna place my bets on NOT GONNA HAPPEN, especially if any of the rumors about Mattel sabotaging the launch of toys... Now that being said a person working for Mattel said Target cancelled the orders for super hero dolls since Marvel Rising failed so hard, there might actually be hope that the relations are not to bad? Small hope but still a tiny hope...
Despara/Adora will be the antagonist of a third season of the Netflix series. If it is greenlit, then it is happening. Moreover, Mattel did not throw good money after bad, and damage its reputation with Target, to "sabotage" the She-Ra and the Princesses of Power toyline. If anything, Mattel pushed NBCUniversal to make the character designs to be more appealing as toys. The initial designs, before the involvement of Mattel, were masculine, plain, and frankly, ugly.
Well if you look at it that way then no show is canon after the 1980s shows, however they are canon just alternate timelines/universes...It is canon in the Masterverse-multiverse, this show is more of a "what if the Horde won the war in the past", nothing wrong with more MOTU. (also what is or is not canon is up to the right holders, so since DreamWorks merged with Filmation by Universal this is probably legally more canon than most things Mattel pumped out...)Masters of the Multiverse is Mattel, not NBCUniversal. And, if anything, She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is set in a distant or alternate future. In that series, Mara precedes Adora as She-Ra, and Mara is a character from the New Adventures of He-Man, which is set in the distant future. Both iterations of She-Ra are official, the question is whether they are canon with one another, or from alternate universes.
He cannot unless DreamWorks allows it so I am gonna place my bets on NOT GONNA HAPPEN, especially if any of the rumors about Mattel sabotaging the launch of toys... Now that being said a person working for Mattel said Target cancelled the orders for super hero dolls since Marvel Rising failed so hard, there might actually be hope that the relations are not to bad? Small hope but still a tiny hope...Despara/Adora will be the antagonist of a third season of the Netflix series. If it is greenlit, then it is happening. Moreover, Mattel did not throw good money after bad, and damage its reputation with Target, to "sabotage" the She-Ra and the Princesses of Power toyline. If anything, Mattel pushed NBCUniversal to make the character designs to be more appealing as toys. The initial designs, before the involvement of Mattel, were masculine, plain, and frankly, ugly.
Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...
NBCUniversal developed She-Ra and the Princesses of Power specifically for girls, so Mattel made dolls. The fans of the series did not buy them, so Target put them on clearance before season four aired. The timeline to get products on shelves takes over a year, so there was no way to get a different toyline out before the series was over. And there was no way to get retailers to carry it, when the previous toyline is sitting on clearance shelves. Not to mention, that girls do not typically buy action figures, and there is no reason to believe they would support them, when they did not support the dolls or the roleplay items.
Yes but the reason that happened was due to Marvel Rising line of dolls flopped so Target canceled all super hero dolls, nobody got a chance to buy them over sea and the few that was in stores was sold and re-sold by scalpers, Mattel sould have made action figures from the start but even if not I doubt they would flopped nearly as bad as Marvel Rising did... (How do I know? One of the designers of the doll stated that was the reason Target cancelled all orders, it was not only the She-Ra ones...)Also the DreamWorks designs would been much better as action figures especially season 4 Catra and season 5 She-Ra, when they realized Marvel Rising failing they should have changed strategy! However that change came WAY TO LATE and the Masterverse products released only had addons to make them more like the 2018 versions...NBCUniversal developed She-Ra and the Princesses of Power specifically for girls, so Mattel made dolls. The fans of the series did not buy them, so Target put them on clearance before season four aired. The timeline to get products on shelves takes over a year, so there was no way to get a different toyline out before the series was over. And there was no way to get retailers to carry it, when the previous toyline is sitting on clearance shelves. Not to mention, that girls do not typically buy action figures, and there is no reason to believe they would support them, when they did not support the dolls or the roleplay items.
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
Yes but the reason that happened was due to Marvel Rising line of dolls flopped so Target canceled all super hero dolls, nobody got a chance to buy them over sea and the few that was in stores was sold and re-sold by scalpers, Mattel sould have made action figures from the start but even if not I doubt they would flopped nearly as bad as Marvel Rising did... (How do I know? One of the designers of the doll stated that was the reason Target cancelled all orders, it was not only the She-Ra ones...)
The toyline was a Target exclusive, and there are no Target stores outside the U.S., so it was never going to be available at retail overseas. The toyline did not perform well, languishing on shelves, before being moved to clearance. My siblings, who enjoyed the show, were able to get every item easily without resorting to the second-hand market. And again, the series was targeting girls, and market data shows that girls do not buy action figures, so an action figure line was never in the cards. I do not know why you think that would perform better with the audience that historically does not buy action figures. Especially, when they did not even buy the line that was for them. The show was well-received by its intended audience, but it was a Netflix exclusive, and did not have the broad audience or appeal of most toys are retail.
The Mattel employees reasoning was from Target directly so I doubt is false, Target never said that line flopped they only mentioned Marvel Rising series. It is hard to actually get a measurement on how well they sold across the US, some stores they might been empty right away while others never managed to sell em? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...Yes but the reason that happened was due to Marvel Rising line of dolls flopped so Target canceled all super hero dolls, nobody got a chance to buy them over sea and the few that was in stores was sold and re-sold by scalpers, Mattel sould have made action figures from the start but even if not I doubt they would flopped nearly as bad as Marvel Rising did... (How do I know? One of the designers of the doll stated that was the reason Target cancelled all orders, it was not only the She-Ra ones...)The toyline was a Target exclusive, and there are no Target stores outside the U.S., so it was never going to be available at retail overseas. The toyline did not perform well, languishing on shelves, before being moved to clearance. My siblings, who enjoyed the show, were able to get every item easily without resorting to the second-hand market. And again, the series was targeting girls, and market data shows that girls do not buy action figures, so an action figure line was never in the cards. I do not know why you think that would perform better with the audience that historically does not buy action figures. Especially, when they did not even buy the line that was for them. The show was well-received by its intended audience, but it was a Netflix exclusive, and did not have the broad audience or appeal of most toys are retail.
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
The Mattel employees reasoning was from Target directly so I doubt is false, Target never said that line flopped they only mentioned Marvel Rising series. It is hard to actually get a measurement on how well they sold across the US, some stores they might been empty right away while others never managed to sell em? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...
If the line performed well, then it would have continued. There are prototypes for unproduced dolls, because the line was cancelled before they could go into production.
They were cancelled because Target did not want em, all was beacuse of Marvel Rising failed... These all got 1 batch, the sales never mattered!The Mattel employees reasoning was from Target directly so I doubt is false, Target never said that line flopped they only mentioned Marvel Rising series. It is hard to actually get a measurement on how well they sold across the US, some stores they might been empty right away while others never managed to sell em? I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...If the line performed well, then it would have continued. There are prototypes for unproduced dolls, because the line was cancelled before they could go into production.
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
Because of Marvel rising they cancelled ALL SUPER HERO DOLLS, brand DID NOT MATTER! DC, Marvel & MOTU all was cancelled... They told Mattel they wanted more Monster Girl High instead probably! Compared to the other two how big % of the sales do you really think She-Ra dolls would have made in comparison? Drop in the bucket in comparison!!!They were cancelled because Target did not want em, all was beacuse of Marvel Rising failed... These all got 1 batch, the sales never mattered!If they were selling well, Target would have ordered more, not cancelled it.
Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
Because of Marvel rising they cancelled ALL SUPER HERO DOLLS, brand DID NOT MATTER! DC, Marvel & MOTU all was cancelled... They told Mattel they wanted more Monster Girl High instead probably! Compared to the other two how big % of the sales do you really think She-Ra dolls would have made in comparison? Drop in the bucket in comparison!!!Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?
Marvel Rising was produced by Hasbro, which is a completely different company. Target is not making decisions about what Mattel products to carry based on Hasbro sales.
Moreover, FILMation She-Ra has a red jewel in her tiara, and the vintage She-Ra toy has the same pattern engraved in her boots and gauntlets. The pauldron armor is the only thing that could reasonably be attributed to DreamWorks She-Ra.
1 that is the Catra mask mixed with She-Ra & 2 Catra came with a stun batton have Catra used a stun baton in anything else than the 2018 show? Why would the person who designed the She-Ra dolls say that on Twitter if not true? He stated because Marvel Rising failed all super hero dolls got cancelled! Not sure how many toy companies Target do deals with but if anyone else than Hasbro and Mattel then guess what probably also cancelled...Because of Marvel rising they cancelled ALL SUPER HERO DOLLS, brand DID NOT MATTER! DC, Marvel & MOTU all was cancelled... They told Mattel they wanted more Monster Girl High instead probably! Compared to the other two how big % of the sales do you really think She-Ra dolls would have made in comparison? Drop in the bucket in comparison!!!Also Mattel added stuff from the 2018 show to the Masterverse versions so why do that if they think it sucked?
Marvel Rising was produced by Hasbro, which is a completely different company. Target is not making decisions about what Mattel products to carry based on Hasbro sales.
Moreover, FILMation She-Ra has a red jewel in her tiara, and the vintage She-Ra toy has the same pattern engraved in her boots and gauntlets. The pauldron armor is the only thing that could reasonably be attributed to DreamWorks She-Ra.
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
1 that is the Catra mask mixed with She-Ra & 2 Catra came with a stun batton have Catra used a stun baton in anything else than the 2018 show? Why would the person who designed the She-Ra dolls say that on Twitter if not true? He stated because Marvel Rising failed all super hero dolls got cancelled! Not sure how many toy companies Target do deals with but if anyone else than Hasbro and Mattel then guess what probably also cancelled...
No, it is not the mask of Catra. It is the same mask that is on the vintage and the Classics figures. The stun baton was introduced in the FILMation series, and was used by multiple people. It is obvious that you are a new fan, and are not familiar with the previous versions of the toys and shows.
Moreover, if I designed a toyline that underperformed, I would propose alternate explanations too. It does not mean it is true. What did Target have to say?
1 that is the Catra mask mixed with She-Ra & 2 Catra came with a stun batton have Catra used a stun baton in anything else than the 2018 show? Why would the person who designed the She-Ra dolls say that on Twitter if not true? He stated because Marvel Rising failed all super hero dolls got cancelled! Not sure how many toy companies Target do deals with but if anyone else than Hasbro and Mattel then guess what probably also cancelled...No, it is not the mask of Catra. It is the same mask that is on the vintage and the Classics figures. The stun baton was introduced in the FILMation series, and was used by multiple people. It is obvious that you are a new fan, and are not familiar with the previous versions of the toys and shows.
Moreover, if I designed a toyline that underperformed, I would propose alternate explanations too. It does not mean it is true. What did Target have to say?
That is what the Mattel employee told people, Target stated: they cancelled all super hero dolls because of Marvel Rising
Also I have seen the 80s toy only the sides matches the old head piece for She-Ra, the Masterverse figure has the 3 upgrades from the season 5 outfit of She-Ra 100% placed there on purpose.
The stun baton was in the 80s Filmation show yes but did Catra ever use it?
Masterverse wishlist:
Catra 2018 (season 4)
He-Man 2002 (Snake Armor)
King Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss 2002
She-Ra 2018 (season 5)
Skeletor 2002
That is what the Mattel employee told people, Target stated: they cancelled all super hero dolls because of Marvel RisingAlso I have seen the 80s toy only the sides matches the old head piece for She-Ra, the Masterverse figure has the 3 upgrades from the season 5 outfit of She-Ra 100% placed there on purpose.
The stun baton was in the 80s Filmation show yes but did Catra ever use it?
An anonymous person on Twitter who claims to be a Mattel employee Tweeted it so it must be true. 🙄
The so-called "upgrades" are not unique to DreamWorks She-Ra. You are not familiar enough with the other sources to recognize the references.
Yes, Catra did use a stun baton in the FILMation series, along with numerous others. That you do not know that supports what I stated above.