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As a result, the symbols on the package read “Chicken Nation” as opposed to Cherokee Nation”.

Mattel slammed for ‘inaccurate’ Cherokee Barbie

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Mattel was provided an approved reference image by the estate of the decedent. Some of the criticisms of the Cherokee Nation are represented in that image, and were therefore reproduced in the doll. Obviously, errors should be corrected once they are discovered. However, Mattel is not a subject matter expert, and relied on the estate, which is a subject matter expert, to properly vet the image. So it would seem the criticisms should be reserved for the estate, which should have known better.


   
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A statement from her daughter. 

https://www.facebook.com/100000062446086/posts/7239118996100110/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

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Off. Thats bad. I mean Mattel blundering with a niche within a niche character like the one they called "He-Skeletor" for the Origins line is one thing; but being consistend to then fumble around with such an historic person elevates it to a Monty Phytonesqe level.

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A statement from her daughter. 

https://www.facebook.com/100000062446086/posts/7239118996100110/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I understand her feelings, but she is not the executor of the estate. The husband and sister of Mankiller were consulted, because they are the only parties who have the authority to make those decisions.

 


   
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The link I posted didn't mention a sister but rather the husband and friend that ran the estate.

Regrettably, the Mattel company did not work directly with the tribal government’s design and communications team to secure the official Seal or verify it,” the tribe said.

Mattel spokesperson Devin Tucker said the company is aware of the problem with the syllabary and is “discussing options”. The company worked with Mankiller’s estate, which is led by her husband, Charlie Soap, and her friend, Kristina Kiehl, on the creation of the doll.

 

 

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Off. Thats bad. I mean Mattel blundering with a niche within a niche character like the one they called "He-Skeletor" for the Origins line is one thing; but being consistend to then fumble around with such an historic person elevates it to a Monty Phytonesqe level.

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Righto. This is something you check once, twice, and thrice. Not just with the husband. 

 

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Righto. This is something you check once, twice, and thrice. Not just with the husband.

Wrongo. Her estate is the only entity that can legally grant permission and give approvals. If Mankiller wanted her daughter to have that authority, then she would have included her in the estate when she was living, and she did not. The daughter is clearly in conflict with the estate, so if Mattel were to consult her, and she contradicted the estate, then what? It would put Mattel in conflict with the estate, potentially jeopardizing the entire project, and creating a giant legal problem. And for what? To get the feedback from someone who has no legal say whatsoever? They have engaged her, so that she is included, in areas of the project that do not interefere with the directives of the estate.

 


   
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The link I posted didn't mention a sister but rather the husband and friend that ran the estate.

Regrettably, the Mattel company did not work directly with the tribal government’s design and communications team to secure the official Seal or verify it,” the tribe said.

Mattel spokesperson Devin Tucker said the company is aware of the problem with the syllabary and is “discussing options”. The company worked with Mankiller’s estate, which is led by her husband, Charlie Soap, and her friend, Kristina Kiehl, on the creation of the doll.

Nice pedantry. It does not materially affect the outcome either way.

 


   
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Righto. This is something you check once, twice, and thrice. Not just with the husband.

Wrongo. 

 

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Righto. This is something you check once, twice, and thrice. Not just with the husband.

Wrongo. Her estate is the only entity that can legally grant permission and give approvals. If Mankiller wanted her daughter to have that authority, then she would have included her in the estate when she was living, and she did not. The daughter is clearly in conflict with the estate, so if Mattel were to consult her, and she contradicted the estate, then what? It would put Mattel in conflict with the estate, potentially jeopardizing the entire project, and creating a giant legal problem. And for what? To get the feedback from someone who has no legal say whatsoever? They have engaged her, so that she is included, in areas of the project that do not interefere with the directives of the estate.

Not her daughter. You verify her outward appearance  with the authority on the issue the Cherokee Nation. Then you find a third source who is an authority in Cherokee culture. A historian. 

You must have a tattoo on your body that reads No Regerts and you still defend your tattoo artist to this day. Good on you. Cheers.

 

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Not her daughter. You verify her outward appearance  with the authority on the issue the Cherokee Nation. Then you find a third source who is an authority in Cherokee culture. A historian. 

You must have a tattoo on your body that reads No Regerts and you still defend your tattoo artist to this day. Good on you. Cheers.

The only authority on this issue is the estate, which is the only party that can approve the appearance of the doll, period. Again, what happens when the people consulted contradict the estate? Congratulations, you unnecessarily jeopardized the entire project and opened yourself to legal liability for consulting third parties who have no legal standing whatsoever. Your desire to be culturally-sensitive does not trump the law. That is why Mattel reached out separately to the daughter and the Cherokee Nation regarding the areas in which they could be included.

 


   
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The legaleeze or how guilty one might or might not be really does not matter at all and is distracting nitpicking at best. They announced the release of  historic native american woman from the chicken nation. That embarassing f*up is entirely on them and that happening means it does not matter what bare minimum fullfillment they had to do; they obviously had not done enough.


   
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Not her daughter. You verify her outward appearance  with the authority on the issue the Cherokee Nation. Then you find a third source who is an authority in Cherokee culture. A historian. 

You must have a tattoo on your body that reads No Regerts and you still defend your tattoo artist to this day. Good on you. Cheers.

The only authority on this issue is the estate, which is the only party that can approve the appearance of the doll, period. Again, what happens when the people consulted contradict the estate? Congratulations, you unnecessarily jeopardized the entire project and opened yourself to legal liability for consulting third parties who have no legal standing whatsoever. Your desire to be culturally-sensitive does not trump the law. That is why Mattel reached out separately to the daughter and the Cherokee Nation regarding the areas in which they could be included.

You jeopardize the entire project? Or do you receive a thank you when you go back to the husband and tell him you discovered it reads Chicken Nation and not Cherokee Nation. Consulting a historical expert would not jeopardize anything. That is nonsense. Only making changes based on the historical experts observations without the husband's approval would.

 

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The legaleeze or how guilty one might or might not be really does not matter at all and is distracting nitpicking at best. They announced the release of  historic native american woman from the chicken nation. That embarassing f*up is entirely on them and that happening means it does not matter what bare minimum fullfillment they had to do; they obviously had not done enough.

Bare minimum sums it up mate.

 

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The legaleeze or how guilty one might or might not be really does not matter at all and is distracting nitpicking at best. They announced the release of  historic native american woman from the chicken nation. That embarassing f*up is entirely on them and that happening means it does not matter what bare minimum fullfillment they had to do; they obviously had not done enough.

It is the only thing that matters when it comes to whether this gets released or not.

 


   
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Bare minimum sums it up mate.

 


   
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Aye, that is true. But better let them feel before than after the fact.


   
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Well this became worldwide news and not just fodder for the tabloids. 

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