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He's a bully to the autistic community he thinks he helps. https://www.facebook.com/IntheLoopAboutNeurodiversity/photos/william-shatner-yes-good-ol-captain-kirk-himself-has-a-history-of-bullying-and-h/1279183149137066/?paipv=0&eav=AfbrsLciDYUaDT8WEa4OV0MFstzPnE5m_v5nMhcldddJ6w38hcsWc6K6UjMTcUl1W6w&_rdr
My comment needs approval? Is it because I put a link in it pointing to evidence of Shatner being the bully to the autistic community that he is? That he's a spokesperson for Autism Speaks, an absolutely awful organisation that presents itself as a charity for autistic people but is actually considered a 'hate group' by the vast majority of autistic people as it has portrayed autism as a 'disease' to be 'cured' for over a decade and in their current '100 Day Kit for Parents' they advise parents of newly diagnosed autistic children to 'grieve for the loss' of their non-autistic child as if their 'real' child has died and been replaced by a changeling and compares autism to leukemia. He has harassed and belittled any autistic person who tries to actually educate him about autism. He thinks he knows better than we do. He despises anyone who uses the hashtag #actuallyautistic, he's made numerous false and defamatory statements about proper autistic charities, and supports the use of harmful ABA 'therapies' which have hurt autistic children. His ego is so fragile that he blocked people who just 'liked' tweets calling out his disgraceful behavior.
He's not a 'legend'. He's an egocentric asshole. His castmates on the original Star Trek confirmed that years ago.
@carnivius Are you sure he wrote that? I read in the article he doesn't do social media.
@ninadust Yes I'm sure. It's still all up on his Twitter account. Or X or whatever it's called now. You can find many, many tweets from the past five or six years of him attacking autistic people.
I've added a screenshot of a few of them. We've been fighting with this prick for a long, long time.
He often does this a lot where he quote tweets so his mob of followers can go pile onto the autistic person, usually causing overwhelming anxiety, stress and such
@ninadust And it's not just the autistic community either. Some years ago he pissed off the native american people. He's a dick.
I did speak to Ted Biaselli about it shortly after Shatner was announced for Revolution.
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Well. Only on Revolution. His casting was because we needed someone to equal Hammil’s stature. Someone to match the pop culture resonance and the fact that Luke Skywalker and Captain Kirk would act opposite to each other was kind of a kick.
I didn’t really know anything about his public persona.
I’m so sorry. No one wants anyone to feel hurt.
I’ll be sure to discuss with Mattel. Not that I think there’s anything they can do, but we can try to get him to not say anything hurtful during our time with Revolution."
Not that I expected them to fire Shatner and get someone else in to redo all the lines but Ted and I been mutual followers on Insta since Revelation so I felt it was something I wanted to bring up. Revelation quickly became my hyperfixation away from some really bad stuff that had been going on in my life, so when Shatner was announced for Revolution it felt awful to know an actor that many of us in the autistic community had been having huge issues with was now 'invading' my 'safe space' if that makes sense. I know it can sound silly to other folk. But... I dunno. Anyways I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or want you all to hate him. I just provide information explaining that he's been pretty hurtful to folk. It's up to you how you feel about it.
I still ended up buying the damn Keldor figure, mainly cos I did actually enjoy Revolution despite Shatner's involvement (to be fair he did a good job in the role), but some of that was completionism too (I love Masterverse)
@carnivius what I am saying sweetie is could one of Shatner's assistants be typing that? I don't know the interview but AJ had this in his article "And we already learned through a previous Brent Spiner interview that it is not Shatner actually posting on his social media accounts)."
@ninadust No it was definitely him. Whether or not he does social media today, I do not know. But this had been going for for many, many years. If it wasn't him on his own Twitter account then he should have absolutely been aware of it. And he is definitely a spokesperson for Autism Speaks and keeps on defending them despite the many disgusting issues with them. If you'd like to know more, please google "william shatner autism speaks" and you'll see many articles and comments about it all.
This one for example
http://nosmag.org/william-shatner-doubles-down-on-light-it-up-blue-autism-speaks/
and this
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2017/04/03/an-open-letter-to-william-shatner-on-autism-awareness/
He's a bully to the autistic community he thinks he helps.
Conflict Is Not Abuse. When communities overstate harm, people view their legitimate complaints with skepticism. Characterizing the criticism in this example as bullying is an exaggeration.
@ninadust Yes I'm sure. It's still all up on his Twitter account. Or X or whatever it's called now. You can find many, many tweets from the past five or six years of him attacking autistic people. I've added a screenshot of a few of them. We've been fighting with this prick for a long, long time.
This is another example of characterizing conflict as abuse, and overstating harm. Criticizing ideas is not attacking a person.
He often does this a lot where he quote tweets so his mob of followers can go pile onto the autistic person, usually causing overwhelming anxiety, stress and such
When one chooses a behavior, she also chooses the consequences of that behavior. If she is prone to being overwhelmed by anxiety and stress, and does not want to be "piled on by a mob," then perhaps she should not publish a rude response on a public platform to someone with millions of followers.
I did speak to Ted Biaselli about it shortly after Shatner was announced for Revolution.
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Well. Only on Revolution. His casting was because we needed someone to equal Hammil’s stature. Someone to match the pop culture resonance and the fact that Luke Skywalker and Captain Kirk would act opposite to each other was kind of a kick.
I didn’t really know anything about his public persona.
I’m so sorry. No one wants anyone to feel hurt.
I’ll be sure to discuss with Mattel. Not that I think there’s anything they can do, but we can try to get him to not say anything hurtful during our time with Revolution."Not that I expected them to fire Shatner and get someone else in to redo all the lines but Ted and I been mutual followers on Insta since Revelation so I felt it was something I wanted to bring up. Revelation quickly became my hyperfixation away from some really bad stuff that had been going on in my life, so when Shatner was announced for Revolution it felt awful to know an actor that many of us in the autistic community had been having huge issues with was now 'invading' my 'safe space' if that makes sense. I know it can sound silly to other folk. But... I dunno. Anyways I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or want you all to hate him. I just provide information explaining that he's been pretty hurtful to folk. It's up to you how you feel about it.
I still ended up buying the damn Keldor figure, mainly cos I did actually enjoy Revolution despite Shatner's involvement (to be fair he did a good job in the role), but some of that was completionism too (I love Masterverse)
If you understand that asking for the role to be recast is neither realistic or reasonable, then I do not understand the purpose of this interaction. What was your desired outcome, and what did you hope the Executive Producer would do for a follower on Instagram?
@carnivius Perhaps consider that William Shatner's heart is in the right place mate regardless if the Autism Speaks organization he was donating his time to once said curing autism as a disease? I understand that is controversial to a portion of the community. We must also consider it is not as controversial to the parents of autistic kids that are inflicted with chronic seizures and are unable to speak.
If you set your goals ridiculously high and it's a failure, you will fail above everyone else's success. -James Cameron
@elder Ok, but you read the part where Autism Speaks to this day tells parents to grieve as if their child has died and been replaced by another? And by comparing autism to leukemia? And Shatner's constant attacks and bullying on autistic people who try to speak to him about the huge amount of issues. Autism Speaks has even presented it ok if a parent prefers their child be dead rather than be autistic (and one woman said this while her autistic child was playing behind her in the video). None of that is ok.
Also this is a video made by Autism Speaks in 2009. William Shatner tried to claim it was fake and made to discredit Autism Speaks but he finally had to admit that it is genuine and was actually on their website for a while. The gloomy tone of this video is similar to those made in the late 80s about AIDS.
@ninadust Yes I'm sure. It's still all up on his Twitter account. Or X or whatever it's called now. You can find many, many tweets from the past five or six years of him attacking autistic people. I've added a screenshot of a few of them. We've been fighting with this prick for a long, long time.This is another example of characterizing conflict as abuse, and overstating harm. Criticizing ideas is not attacking a person.
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. None.
When one chooses a behavior, she also chooses the consequences of that behavior. If she is prone to being overwhelmed by anxiety and stress, and does not want to be "piled on by a mob," then perhaps she should not publish a rude response on a public platform to someone with millions of followers.
Nice. Victim-blaming 101. So because we are prone to stress and anxiety we shouldn't speak out when we see disgraceful behavior, lies and bullying? You're defending Shatner even though he's constantly in the wrong and REFUSING TO LISTEN TO THE AUTISTIC COMMUNITY HE CLAIMS TO HELP but you target the autistic person who he knowingly used his mob of followers to go and hassle and cause immense stress to? That's how victims are silenced. You think when dickwads like him say all sorts of offensive, wrong, harmful and just plain stupid stuff about the autistic community and the GOOD autistic charities who try to help us, that we should say nothing? Autism Speaks has harmed many autistic people including many children. Shatner has defended it all while lying and making false statements about genuine autistic charities that have done far more good.
Are you one of those "shouldn't wear such a short skirt then" folk when a woman is sexually assaulted? Just wondering.
If you understand that asking for the role to be recast is neither realistic or reasonable, then I do not understand the purpose of this interaction. What was your desired outcome, and what did you hope the Executive Producer would do for a follower on Instagram?
I said mutual followers. Ted follows me too. And we've chatted about other stuff before and after we talked about Shatner. What don't you understand? Apart from what we've already established you clearly don't understand.
He's a bully to the autistic community he thinks he helps.Conflict Is Not Abuse. When communities overstate harm, people view their legitimate complaints with skepticism. Characterizing the criticism in this example as bullying is an exaggeration.
Very condescending and false.
And this is how Shatner reacts to conversations about mental health in general.
https://themighty.com/topic/mental-health/william-shatner-blocked-twitter-mental-health/
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. None.
You have absolutely no idea what I know or do not know.
Nice. Victim-blaming 101. So because we are prone to stress and anxiety we shouldn't speak out when we see disgraceful behavior, lies and bullying? You're defending Shatner even though he's constantly in the wrong and REFUSING TO LISTEN TO THE AUTISTIC COMMUNITY HE CLAIMS TO HELP but you target the autistic person who he knowingly used his mob of followers to go and hassle and cause immense stress to? That's how victims are silenced. You think when dickwads like him say all sorts of offensive, wrong, harmful and just plain stupid stuff about the autistic community and the GOOD autistic charities who try to help us, that we should say nothing? Autism Speaks has harmed many autistic people including many children. Shatner has defended it all while lying and making false statements about genuine autistic charities that have done far more good.Are you one of those "shouldn't wear such a short skirt then" folk when a woman is sexually assaulted? Just wondering.
Accept the consequences of your speech or do not speak. Those are your options.
I said mutual followers. Ted follows me too. And we've chatted about other stuff before and after we talked about Shatner. What don't you understand? Apart from what we've already established you clearly don't understand.
That is a distinction without a difference. It does not change that you messaged a social media acquaintance unsolicited, and emotionally exposited on him. Again, what did you hope to accomplish?
Very condescending and false.
And this is how Shatner reacts to conversations about mental health in general.
https://themighty.com/topic/mental-health/william-shatner-blocked-twitter-mental-health/
To the contrary, it is forthright and accurate. Conflict is not abuse. Disagreement is not bullying. Criticism is not an attack.
@carnivius Perhaps consider that William Shatner's heart is in the right place mate regardless if the Autism Speaks organization he was donating his time to once said curing autism as a disease? I understand that is controversial to a portion of the community. We must also consider it is not as controversial to the parents of autistic kids that are inflicted with chronic seizures and are unable to speak.
I did not engage with his criticism of Autism Speaks, because it is peripheral to the issue. I am not a defender of Autism Speaks, but it is important to remember that the organization was formed to provide support for caregivers of people with Autism at a time when Autism was considered a disease. So the focus was not on supporting the person with Autism, but their lifelong caregivers, and their hope was to be able to identify a cure, so that people with Autism could integrate into society, and live independenlty. The understanding of Autism has changed, and so has the focus, so it is not fair to judge the past through a contemporary lens. And engaging with that criticism just derails the discussion from the actual issue, which is that a well-meaning celebrity supported an inorganic social media cause, and was castigated for not holding the "correct" views, even though there is not a consensus.